Les Russes ont été Trop Greedy en Ukraine

IELLENT
2023-06-05 10:21:57

Maintenant ils perdent carrément des territoires directement en Russie.

Ces agression extérieur c'est du jamais vue depuis 1945 :pf:

Si ça continue le front tchétchéne et du Daghestan vont se réactiver...

Quid-In
2023-06-05 10:24:35

Back in 2008, William J. Burns warned, if Ukraine moved toward NATO, this would cause a civil war in Ukraine and that would then bring Moscow in. This might be exactly why Western officials subsequently enacted policies leading to such a result.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1502177250300600320

Petro Poroshenko, Angela Merkel and François Hollande stated that Minsk II was never intended to bring peace and never intended to be fully implimented. Rather, they intended to delay war until Kievite regime was better prepared to fight one, all of three then simply might have intended the war to eventually come about.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html

Oleksii Arestovych predicted the war with remarkable accuracies and argued he wanted this to come about - Otherwise, Ukraine would later slip back into siding with Moscow by electing neutral president. This would follow that, if he saw such a war as the means to his ends, he will seek to bring that war about.
https://intellinews.com/former-ukrainian-presidential-advisor-perfectly-predicted-russian-invasion-in-2019-238183

A report was commissioned from RAND Corporation on ways to weaken Moscow and suggested provoking with Ukraine.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf

During tension as Moscow and Kiev built forces up, in the week before invasion, banderovite forces massively increased shelling of Donbass, as observed by the organization for security and co-operation in Europe. This looked like an offensive on Donbass would be launched, in such a period of tension that simply might have been intended to provoke Moscow in. No other credible reason to do this at that time but provocation.
https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-22%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf

'Russiagate' was intended to facilitate public opinion in preperation for a war against Moscow - Similar to the growth of the invasion genre of literature in United Kingdom, prior to the great war.

HvBeenTrumped
2023-06-05 10:25:29

C'est le problème quand tu push sans jungle

Quid-In
2023-06-05 10:28:47

Y a juste des incursions, sinon, c'est pas perdre du territoire.

Limbs
2023-06-05 10:31:36

Ouais c'est une vraie catastrophe :

  • Des centaines de milliers de morts des 2 côtés
  • Des milliards et des milliards de pertes matérielles
  • Isolement total de la Russie à l'international, leur endettement qui s'envole
  • Une hausse des prix généralisée en Europe

Tout ça pour absolument RIEN, même pire, ça a été contre productif, tous les ukrainiens doivent profondément haïr la Russie maintenant, ils ne se laisseront JAMAIS annexer. Pareil pour Poutine, il a perdu toutes crédibilité, il est passé du mec qui fait trembler l'Occident au pire stratège militaire du 21ème siècle.

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