Nord Stream : ils sont redpill sur Quora

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:05:17

https://qr.ae/pvaR35

Enfin au moins une partie, pas comme sur reddit ou absolument aucun n'ose remettre en doute le fait que ce soit la Russie, y'en a même qui pensent encore que c'est accidentel :rire:

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:06:35

Well, blowing-up Nord Stream 1 and 2 is an act of war against the European Union, notably against Germany and the other countries having chipped in to build them, but also against all the EU citizens paying a gas bill every month.

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

Biden warned about it (we should take this old timer more seriously, after all..). US led NATO forces played around it. And Polish officials thanked the USA for it. Case closed.

The USA crossed the rubicund of direct military action against the assets of EU companies (even if in joint-venture with Russian companies) of strategic interest (energy supplies), this, in Danish and Swedish territorial waters.

Now, at least, whatever could still be blurry in one’s mind about “is the USA the ally of the EU or not” has gone to the trash, and everything malevolent policies I think that the USA have been leading in Europe for the past decades find a confirmation in that US attack against European assets.

Our US ally is blowing the pipes going directly from Russia to Germany in order to :

Prevent a U-turn from the German State, who is the banker of the EU, in its support of the US proxy-war in Ukraine, by cutting said U-Turn most obvious “reward channel”.
Secure transit fees for the 2 most rabid US proxies of importance in Europe, Ukraine and Poland, if the EU wants gas from Russia, this by forcing the use of the land pipes going through these 2 countries.
And so, forcing both our hand to go forward by cutting the bliss of the escape route, while propping-up the European countries most involved into the Slava Ukraini freak-show.
Tactically speaking, and on the short-term, that’s quite well done by the USA. The severe hand of Washington slapped back in a row its European ducklings by cutting the Russian sources of gas not controlled by trusted proxies like Ukraine and Poland. That’s authoritative, to say the least.

Strategically speaking, that’s a huge bet, and in my opinion, a bet bound to fail.

I am now certain that the USA are an hostile State to Europe, who occupies our lands with their armies and at times vest themselves into the destruction of some of these European lands, for they already overlorded the destruction of 2 European countries (Yugoslavia and Ukraine) and end-up destroying our own EU infrastructures to secure our long-lasting submission.

Also, the “Battle of the Baltic” reminds me of the “Battle of the Atlantic”, when the Nazis too tried to cut the supply routes of Europe. Let’s make another bet : the brigands will lose the second battle as their predecessors lost the first.

Anyway, blowing-up those pipes, the USA behaved as a terrorist State, a rogue State, and should be treated as a pariah-State in response by the European countries suffering from their policies. The USA are not anymore the ally of the EU - were they ever ? -, but its enemy. Not the land of the free, but the land of the hook and the crook, the land of the poor, the violent, the hateful, the demented. I don’t blame the US folks, because they are even more manipulated and isolated into this insanity than us in Europe, and they have growingly overwhelming troubles in their own country too, but the US Federal State and its corporate handlers and subsidies. They are ready to harm us to make profits. And this is enough !!!

For all its flaws, Russia didn’t try to blackmail us to sanction other countries up to racketing our companies and even destroying our economy, or now destroy via military action our energy infrastructures, this even when our EU countries declared themselves as the enemies of Russia, stole a lot of its central-bank assets, and accompanied - if not encouraged and even engineered - Russopobia. Meanwhile, the USA did against their own so-called “allies”.. What the actual f*ck ?!

That is unacceptable. F*ck the USA ! Just get your armies, your diplomats, and your lobbyists home, because they are not welcome in Europe anymore. If the EU countries are not saying so, the street will say so soon enough, and that will be loud.

We know too well who did it, no US or pro-US propagandist can seriously object. Soon everybody will know, and unlike complex Historical theories accessible only with a certain level of historical literacy, a direct attack against our infrastructures is a very easy sell to convince everyone of who is the enemy.

Well played tactical move, USA, but very badly calculated strategy. Very, very badly. And in some ways, “thank you” indeed... Blowing-up our stuff today at long last justifies us to get rid of your presence in Europe in the years to come. By advance, good riddance !

Edit : and what if Russia actually did it (a credible false flag with a great alibi), or did in quickly on NS1 after the USA took care of NS2 ? After all, that’s still the great question in a lot of minds.

Then we should remember which country pressured for NS2 to not open, and pressured another country to retain the turbines of NS1. Did Russia acknowledge the present situation and sacrifice now useless tubes for a very useful PR purpose ? Or did the USA secure for tomorrow what was already achieved today, in fear that the EU would turn as business as usual with Russia this winter ? Did both actually act ?

All these questions are interesting, so how to delimit and put a blame ? It might seem complex, but it’s not complicated. Beyond “who pulled the trigger”, there’s the why it happened.

Did the USA support the Eurorussian energy ties ? No.
Did Russia kept selling gas to the EU after the EU sanctions were announced then enforced ? Yes.
Did the USA threaten NS2 and blamed Germany for it, while taking by proxy punitive measures on NS1 as well ? Yes.
Do the USA have interest for those pipes to be “securely” offline for a long while to bring the EU into dependence to the USA and their fossil-fuel rich client-States ? Yes.
Does Russia has more interest to make a PR stunt over the idle pipes than to keep them available for a desirable future ? On the short-term, yes, but on the long term, no : 4D chess or normal chess game, it’s undecided.
Could the USA have itself plotted the perfect alibi for Russia to be blamed for a perfect false flag ? Well, the CIA has nothing to envy to the KGB. Undecided.
Then, is Russia more in trouble if it’s found guilty than the USA ? Likely yes, Russia bets on reliability in its global order reshaping, while the USA just bet on being global bullies.
All those questions, all those hypothesis..

Ultimately, did the USA or Russia led us there, by their policies aiming at the other guy, non-withstanding the amount of damage such policies can do ? My vote goes to the USA, definitively.

And that’s the ultimate point of my answer : no matter who actually opened the breach acted as an arm or as proxy, direct, indirect, willing or unwilling, aware of not aware, of the US foreign policy in Europe (US in, Russia out, Germany down) much more than of the Russian foreign policy in Europe (Russia in, US out, Germany buying Russian gas), and was constrained much more by the first than by the second.

Also, Russia is a part of Europe. The USA are not. And it’s Europe who is under attack, not the USA. A little simplicity over the top of a lot of complexities.

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:09:06

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478529-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-08-42.pngAYAAA les questions

Lu5421574
2022-09-29 21:11:39

Poutine aurai lui même participé au sabotage
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478691-1664474431438541.jpg

quel homme diabolique

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:11:49

We know too well who did it, no US or pro-US propagandist can seriously object. Soon everybody will know, and unlike complex Historical theories accessible only with a certain level of historical literacy, a direct attack against our infrastructures is a very easy sell to convince everyone of who is the enemy.

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:12:54

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:11:39 :
Poutine aurai lui même participé au sabotage
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478691-1664474431438541.jpg

quel homme diabolique

Effectivementhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478756-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-12-26.jpg:(

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:22:58

AYAAAOOOO c'était il y a 4 ans :https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664479357-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-22-32.png

:rire:

PseudoClaquax3
2022-09-29 21:26:29

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:11:39 :
Poutine aurai lui même participé au sabotage
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478691-1664474431438541.jpg

quel homme diabolique

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/26/1467335935-jesus1.png

PseudoClaquax3
2022-09-29 21:28:26

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:09:06 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478529-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-08-42.pngAYAAA les questions

Au fond ça me rassure que le top des questions ce soit ça. Il reste des gens avec des neurones. En dépit de la purification prochaine.

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:29:50

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:28:26 :

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:09:06 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478529-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-08-42.pngAYAAA les questions

Au fond ça me rassure que le top des questions ce soit ça. Il reste des gens avec des neurones. En dépit de la purification prochaine.

Non mais après il me propose ça parce que l'algo a compris ma position je pense, j'ai pas trop fouillé mais je suppose qu'il y a pleins de gens à côté qui doivent accuser la russie... Y'a pas de raison que ça soit fondamentalement différent de reddit

PseudoClaquax3
2022-09-29 21:29:52

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:11:49 :
We know too well who did it, no US or pro-US propagandist can seriously object. Soon everybody will know, and unlike complex Historical theories accessible only with a certain level of historical literacy, a direct attack against our infrastructures is a very easy sell to convince everyone of who is the enemy.

Who is the ennemy ? :(

TerreDeSteMarie
2022-09-29 21:29:59

J'allais dire, pourtant ils sont bien golem d'habitude, mais c'est le Quora anglais, donc oui, ils sont un peu plus redpill que la norme. Le Quora Français par contre :rire:

PseudoClaquax3
2022-09-29 21:30:37

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:12:54 :

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:11:39 :
Poutine aurai lui même participé au sabotage
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478691-1664474431438541.jpg

quel homme diabolique

Effectivementhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478756-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-12-26.jpg:(

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/42/1477217760-epicjesus.gif

TerreDeSteMarie
2022-09-29 21:32:18

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:12:54 :

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:11:39 :
Poutine aurai lui même participé au sabotage
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478691-1664474431438541.jpg

quel homme diabolique

Effectivementhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478756-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-12-26.jpg:(

Aussi grossier que puisse être le montage, je me demande vraiment si les golems seraient capable d'y croire si on passerait ça sur BFM ou TF1 :rire:

PseudoClaquax3
2022-09-29 21:33:13

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:29:50 :

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:28:26 :

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:09:06 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2022/39/4/1664478529-capture-d-ecran-2022-09-29-a-21-08-42.pngAYAAA les questions

Au fond ça me rassure que le top des questions ce soit ça. Il reste des gens avec des neurones. En dépit de la purification prochaine.

Non mais après il me propose ça parce que l'algo a compris ma position je pense, j'ai pas trop fouillé mais je suppose qu'il y a pleins de gens à côté qui doivent accuser la russie... Y'a pas de raison que ça soit fondamentalement différent de reddit

Dans tout les cas le damage kontrol n'a pour l'instant pas réussi à faire taire cette honteuse théorie komplotix comme quoi les USA ne sont pas des vrais copains :)

zbeboverissou2
2022-09-29 21:33:17

Sur Reddit j’en vois plein accuser les US

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:33:24

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:29:59 :
J'allais dire, pourtant ils sont bien golem d'habitude, mais c'est le Quora anglais, donc oui, ils sont un peu plus redpill que la norme. Le Quora Français par contre :rire:

C'est à mi chemin entre ici et reddit
Si on devait faire un classement, je pense que c'est JVC > Twitter > Quora - Facebook >>>>>>>> reddit

BOT_LREM_proVAX
2022-09-29 21:34:46

Le 29 septembre 2022 à 21:33:17 :
Sur Reddit j’en vois plein accuser les US

Ah ouais ?
Ba j'y suis plus retourné depuis que je me suis fais ban partout, en moins d'1h et quelques postes j'avais le karma à -100 tout le monde me traitait de bot russe et compagnie :rire:

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