L'univers DRAGON BALL VS l'univers MARVEL : QUI GAGNE ?

J'suis un pro-Dragonball, et j'dirai Marvel.
Tout façon, niveau puissance, les comics défoncent les mangas. Les auteurs de comics sont méga perché, y en a eu plus d'une centaine de différent à écrire leur propre histoire d'un perso qui a été créé il y a au moins 50 ans, y a eu toutes les histoires possible.
Puis là on parle d'une marque (Marvel) contre une franchise (Dragonball), c'est complétement pété.

A la limite ça aurait plus judicieux de dire l'univers de Marvel contre l'univers de la Shueisha.

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:22:54 :
Oui les meks j'ai vu que les films, et dans les films aucuns perso (Thanos compris) n'a la puissance ne serait que d'érafler un SSJ1, c'est just no match, genre Black panther wsh a pars crier Wakanda il se fait juste soulever par Tenshinhan

Après je suis tout ouïe quand à la différence de puissance film / comics chez Marvel

Les personnages dans les comics sont beaucoup plus forts que ça, les versions que tu as vu sont beaucoup plus faibles qu'ils le sont dans le comics

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:24:06 :
J'suis un pro-Dragonball, et j'dirai Marvel.
Tout façon, niveau puissance, les comics défoncent les mangas. Les auteurs de comics sont méga perché, y en a eu plus d'une centaine de différent à écrire leur propre histoire d'un perso qui a été créé il y a au moins 50 ans, y a eu toutes les histoires possible.
Puis là on parle d'une marque (Marvel) contre une franchise (Dragonball), c'est complétement pété.

A la limite ça aurait plus judicieux de dire l'univers de Marvel contre l'univers de la Shueisha.

Autant faire comics vs mangas alors

[16:21:52] <EndlessDeath>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/15/3/1618410279-3016411-3817689242-28568.jpg

Il l'a déjà fait...et ,fondamentalement , je ne vois pas trop la différence entre une dimension et un univers

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:23:06 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:52 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

Ca ca vaut ce que ca vaut
Palkia et dialga sont censé faire vibrer l’univers rien qu’avec leurs respirations
Ils sont tiers 2-A je crois et pourtant dans les films ils sont niveau saibaman

Dialga est le temps dans le multivers Pokemon
Palkia est l'espace dans le multivers Pokemon
Donc ils sont 2-B

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:23:38 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:20:41 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:32 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:18:25 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:17:07 :
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Trop gros le trollhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/38/7/1506268524-but-b24-warai1.png

C'est quoi ta pp ?

Ruphas Mafahl du roman A Wild Last Boss Appeared

Merci

De rien

[16:22:27] <PokIonskaya>
Krilin et Yamcha sont plus fort que Thanos

Thabis des films *

Le thanos des comics le poutre, il est même Supérieur à beerus

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:06:53 :
Thor se fait enculer par un Nappa hein

Thor encule nappa l'ahuri
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(Marvel_Comics)
Tier: 5-A, 4-B at peak, higher with the Thermo-Blast, up to 2-C, possibly 2-A with the God Blast | At least 2-C, possibly 2-A | At least 2-A, possibly Low 1-C | 2-A

Attack Potency: Large Planet level (Usually operates under a far lower power level in fear of killing his mortal opponents. Comparable to Hulk and the Thing), Solar System level at peak (Shook the stars while wielding 2 Mjolnirs, and hence should be capable of attacking with half of that yield normally. Destroyed Surtur's star-dwarfing portal with Beta Ray Bill's help, restored Arkon's rings, and slightly dented the Silver Surfer's forehead with a headbutt. Loki even commented that Thor has greater strength than the Silver Surfer while fighting a serious Norrin), higher with the Thermo-Blast (Bested Ego), up to Low Multiverse level, possibly Multiverse level+ with the God Blast (Defeated Zelia, who was twice the strength of Odin) | At least Low Multiverse level, possibly Multiverse level+ (Doctor Strange had to channel the power of the Council Elite of all pantheons on Earth to temporarily disable the Odinforce after Thor had held it for only 17 years, and in one future Thor will hold the power for even longer than Odin, indicating that he can be even more powerful. Said Future King Thor was able to battle Galactus, albeit still had to rely on All-Black the Necrosword to defeat him) | At least Multiverse level+, possibly Low Complex Multiverse level (More powerful than The Destroyer at its peak, and surpassed "Those Who Sit Above In Shadow", celestial beings who are as powerful compared to the Asgardians as they are to humans, and destroyed the never-ending Ragnarok cycle that the 9 Realms were bound in forever, which had been created by these beings) | Multiverse level+ (Killed a well-fed Galactus)

Nappa
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nappa
Tier: Low 5-B

Small planet level

Les dbtard qui se rendent compte que l'univers de db pue la merde en terme de versus, ils aucun hax en plushttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/10/6/1615644288-castaldi6-altieri.png

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:25:27 :

[16:21:52] <EndlessDeath>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/15/3/1618410279-3016411-3817689242-28568.jpg

Il l'a déjà fait...et ,fondamentalement , je ne vois pas trop la différence entre une dimension et un univers

Au final leurs combat a « juste » detruit un univers
Ya rien de si ouf

[16:22:54] <Poemes>
Oui les meks j'ai vu que les films, et dans les films aucuns perso (Thanos compris) n'a la puissance ne serait que d'érafler un SSJ1, c'est just no match, genre Black panther wsh a pars crier Wakanda il se fait juste soulever par Tenshinhan

Après je suis tout ouïe quand à la différence de puissance film / comics chez Marvel

La différence est phénoménale.

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:25:30 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:23:06 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:52 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

Ca ca vaut ce que ca vaut
Palkia et dialga sont censé faire vibrer l’univers rien qu’avec leurs respirations
Ils sont tiers 2-A je crois et pourtant dans les films ils sont niveau saibaman

Dialga est le temps dans le multivers Pokemon
Palkia est l'espace dans le multivers Pokemon
Donc ils sont 2-B

Et pourtant ils sont ultra nul

Ils se prennent des attaques de pokemon random
Ne parlons même pas de giratina qui n’arrive même pas a se libérer d’un simple piege mecanique

[16:22:54] <RuphasMafahl>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:05 :

[16:17:45] <Tanguy-Swing>
Il suffit de comparer les tier

Thanos : Tier: 4-B | 2-A | Likely Low 1-C, possibly Higher | Low 1-A | Likely 1-A
Pouvoir de Thanos
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Immortality (Types 1 & 6), Regeneration (Mid-Low), Enhanced Senses (Likely detected & caught a rock being thrown at him without looking at it. Identified a Skrull being turned into another alien. Smelled Pip the Troll leaving his Sanctuary), Telepathy, Mind Manipulation (Had a mind war with Moondragon and won. Destroyed Pit the Troll's mind. Mind controlled the Hulk), Perception Manipulation & Madness Manipulation (Via Mind-Sync Time-Warp; Can alter the perception of others, attempting to drive them mad and make their minds his slaves), Possession (Can upload his consciousness into the mind of a living target, overcoming it), Magic, Hacking (Casually jamed Shi'ar's sophisticated interstellar networks), Energy Manipulation & Projection, Could completely stop Mjolnir being thrown at him by unknown means, Forcefield Creation (Has technology that allows him to activate invisible, normal or 3 personal forcefields. On his own able to use a forcefield around himself and on other things to keep them from others), Summoning, Teleportation via his chair, Astral Projection, Petrification (Once petrified a Skrull, killing him), Curse Manipulation (Cursed Deadpool with eternal life), Flight (Can fly on his own), Matter Manipulation (Can dissolve molecules), Death Manipulation (Can give a permanent death to inhabitants of the Cancerverse, a universe where death does not exist), Life Manipulation (Drained the life force of a being and bestowed it to another), Healing (Healed a cleric), Portal Creation (Created a portal that allowed him to travel to another point of existence), Stealth Mastery (Demonstrated here. His armor also has a cloaking device), Sealing (Attempted to seal Odin), Resistance to Reality Warping (Was able to keep hold of himself after he entered the Nexus of Reality), Mind Manipulation, Telepathy (While having the Mind Gem, Moondragon was unable to read his mind), Black Holes (Survived being sucked inside a miniature black hole that collapsed on itself) & Hellfire Manipulation (Withstood an explosion of Hellfire from Cosmic Ghost Rider). Formerly Immortality (Type 5)
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All prior abilities, Access to all the powers a Cosmic Cube has (Only demonstrated using the ones listed here), Matter Manipulation and Energy Manipulation on a much greater level, Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation (Can twist space), Time Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement (Can incapacitate others with energy and has "the power to imprison all his foes with the slightlest thought"), Size Manipulation & Transformation (Can become the universe itself), Soul Manipulation (His very soul was also turned into the universe), Absorption (Initially believed to have drained the cube's power for himself, later stated to be still drawing power from it, constantly), Resistance to scientific & natural laws After becoming the universe: As before, Incorporeality (Left his physical body), Cosmic Awareness (Could sense where others were despite not being visibly with them), Plant Manipulation (Controlled the limbs of trees to attack and restrain others), Memory Manipulation (Restored the full memory of Drax), Transmutation (Turned metal and concrete into demon-like creatures to attack his foes), Fire Manipulation (Shown here), Telekinesis (Shown here), Homing Attack (Shown here), Age Manipulation (Attempted to age Captain Marvel to death)
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All in base to an unfathomably greater extent, Precognition & Cosmic Awareness (Users of the gauntlet see time as a repeating loop; Whereas others experience the present, the users have already lived that before several times, only allowing themselves to make unimportant mistakes. This applies to characters as fast as several abstracts and a casual The Living Tribunal. It's stated that every moment that ever was or will be cascades over the user), Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Made the Runner more than a million years old and turned him into a baby), Elemental Manipulation, Biological Manipulation (Blew up two of Death's minions from the inside. Constantly tortured Nebula and Eros by altering their bodies), Explosion Manipulation, BFR (Can trap people inside the Soul gem, can vanish others, etc.), Creation, Life & Death Manipulation (Created life. Eliminated half of the universe), Time Stop (Caused time to come to a standstill, frooze Earth's defenders in time), Size Manipulation, Portal Creation (Created a portal between him and an enemy attack to avoid it, could open time portals which would pull opponents to the prehistoric past, etc.), Time Travel, Transmutation (Turned Wolverine's bones into rubber, turned "Thor" into glass, turned Nova into Toy Blocks), Status Effect Inducement (Demonstrated here, here & here), Absorption (Absorbed the combined attack of several cosmic beings), Sealing (Imprisoned the cosmic beings, including Eternity), Duplication (Duplicated into at least 9 copies of himself), Soul-based Morality Manipulation (Redirected Drax's motivation to kill him towards the Silver Surfer), Power Bestowal (Can give others Immortality and small portions of his power), Cloth Manipulation (The gauntlet attacked Mephisto when he tried to steal it), Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm abstract entities), Access to all the powers the Infinity Gauntlet has (Only demonstrated using the ones listed earlier)
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All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent (The Cosmic Cube gave him a very limited experience manipulating facets of the divine, and the Infinity Gauntlet only gave him external control of his powers, with the Heart, he's "all that was and subservient of none". Only demonstrated using the powers listed here), Acausality (Type 1. Gained his power because of Akhenaten's advent and the Celestial Order, whom he eradicated any trace of their existence by traveling back in time and killing them before almost every event in Marvel: The End. Unaffected after making time and space no longer exist), Regeneration (Low-Godly for his body. Lost his corporeality and reappeared briefly afterward, although the practicality of this is unexplored given his omnipresence), Cosmic Awareness (Could have sensed the Living Tribunal's meeting of cosmic powerhouses but didn't due to being engrossed in reveling in his newfound power. His awareness continued to expand beyond the material and the abstract into realms he never suspected even existed), Time Travel & Teleportation (Went to the 1334 B.C. in Egypt from space to kill Akhenaten, then two thousand years before the latter's existence to kill the Celestial Order, just as a precaution), Portal Creation & Technology Manipulation (Shown here), Vibration Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Thread Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Disease Manipulation and Healing (Beyond the material and the abstract there are universal vibratory patterns that are said by Thanos to be "heavenly laws written in the ether", "luminous weaves" and "the order that holds off the chaos and the void"; They were twisted & perverted, by trying to fix them, Thanos' every effort initially only worsened the situation. Later healed this Astral Cancer from the universe at the cost of his own life), Size Manipulation & BFR (Made himself bigger and vanished Eternity), Absorption & Existence Erasure (Absorbed everyone and everything in the universe into his being, making time and space no longer exist. Said that their very existence was by his whim), Causality Manipulation (Minted a universe where certain events didn't happen in its past) Possibly the same abilities as Akhenaten (Assuming this aren't things he actively decided to manifest on himself, Thanos should have the same abilities as the former was empowered by some of the Heart's power): Extrasensory Perception (Akhenaten detected Horus using clairvoyance to spy him and knew that gods were watching him, as well as where they were) and Resistance to Information Analysis & Cosmic Awareness (Thanos' technologies couldn't permanently detect his unique energy emanations before his approach to Earth, Reed Richards' technologies couldn't know what he was on that moment and Abstracts such as Master Order, Lord Chaos, Infinity and Eternity could not detect the cause of the perilous imbalance in the cosmic flow made by him, the latter stating that this to be a "truth hidden from the least to the greatest of all beings", possibly indicating that The Living Tribunal was unaware of this as well. After his advent Infinity and Eternity were "blind", only limited to gaze upon the here and now as opposed to all time and space)
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All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent, even far beyond that of the Heart of the Universe, with the exception of Acausality (Was successfully affected by time travel)

Zeno : Tier: 2-C
Pouvoir de Zeno
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Longevity, Enhanced Senses, Flight, Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1), Afterimage Creation, Chi Manipulation (Can be used defensively and offensively, to strengthen his skin or to fire ki blasts, which can home in on targets, and form defensive barriers), Ki/Energy Sensing, Spatial Manipulation (His hands materialized in the universe to flick planets against each other), Non-Physical Interaction (Capable of harming souls, intangible and non-corporeal beings), Existence Erasure (Can erase people, objects and entire universes by raising his hand), Creation (Created a button out of nowhere), Can possibly create dimensional rifts and destroy space-time and pocket dimensions with his energy via powerscaling, Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a "God")
Le personnage le plus craint et puissant de dragon ball est une merde à côté de juste Thanos, Thanos n'est même pas le plus puissant

Pour les grotteux les tier ça signifie ça

2-C : | Low Multiverse level: Characters who can significantly affect[1], create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents.

1-A : 1-A: Outerverse level
Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other.

Pour clamer haut et fort que le dbverse est au-dessus du Marvel verse fait vraiment être un ahuri qui ne connaît quedal a la fiction, vos personnages qui gueule et power up se font déglinguéhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/32/4/1596747006-img-06082020-224953-400-x-300-pixel.jpg

Thanos devrait être mieux classé sue simple 4-B je trouve .
Il a déjà explosé un univers.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/14/5/1617929690-16179296924397232436178571627252.jpg

4-B c'est juste sa plus faible version, il y a plusieurs versions de Thanos et ils n'ont pas tous la même puissance

Là il était pas boosté.
Mais je suppose que tu voulais parler de la version que l'auteur a choisie de prendre

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:14:56 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:09:46 :
VOUS ÊTES SÉRIEUX LES AHURIS
VOUS AVEZ DÉJÀ LU LES COMICS AVANT DE VOTER DB ?

L'univers marvel piétine celui de dragon ball sans forcer
Bordel dans l'univers marvel y'a des personnages qui peuvent réecrire la réalité ou t'effacer juste avec des motshttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/15/3/1618409347-25mv-je-400x400.jpg

L'univers de dragon ball n'est même pas le plus puissant tout manga confondu, Sailor moon à elle toute seule déglingue le verse

J'avais pas vu les votes, DB qui obtient beaucoup de vote
On a la preuve que les gens ne savent pas débattre et ne sont pas objectifs

Jean Grey solo le dbverse
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/15/3/1618410443-dd3087052bb8f787c8e257849e187603.jpg

"No more Saiyans"

Ces ahuri ont vraiment l'image des film en têtehttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/10/6/1615644288-castaldi6-altieri.png

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:27:18 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:25:30 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:23:06 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:52 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

Ca ca vaut ce que ca vaut
Palkia et dialga sont censé faire vibrer l’univers rien qu’avec leurs respirations
Ils sont tiers 2-A je crois et pourtant dans les films ils sont niveau saibaman

Dialga est le temps dans le multivers Pokemon
Palkia est l'espace dans le multivers Pokemon
Donc ils sont 2-B

Et pourtant ils sont ultra nul

Ils se prennent des attaques de pokemon random
Ne parlons même pas de giratina qui n’arrive même pas a se libérer d’un simple piege mecanique

Anime =/= Jeu
L'anime et les films sont pas canons

[16:23:06] <Trapezohedron>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:52 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

Ca ca vaut ce que ca vaut
Palkia et dialga sont censé faire vibrer l’univers rien qu’avec leurs respirations
Ils sont tiers 2-A je crois et pourtant dans les films ils sont niveau saibaman

Il y'a pas besoin de feats pour donner une échelle de puissance .

Ces 2 Pokémon représentent à eux seuls le temps et l'espace dans le pokeverse...

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:28:33 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:27:18 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:25:30 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:23:06 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:52 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

Ca ca vaut ce que ca vaut
Palkia et dialga sont censé faire vibrer l’univers rien qu’avec leurs respirations
Ils sont tiers 2-A je crois et pourtant dans les films ils sont niveau saibaman

Dialga est le temps dans le multivers Pokemon
Palkia est l'espace dans le multivers Pokemon
Donc ils sont 2-B

Et pourtant ils sont ultra nul

Ils se prennent des attaques de pokemon random
Ne parlons même pas de giratina qui n’arrive même pas a se libérer d’un simple piege mecanique

Anime =/= Jeu
L'anime et les films sont pas canons

Les films sont canons il me semble

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:28:41 :

[16:23:06] <Trapezohedron>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:52 :

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:19:38 :

[16:17:07] <Poemes>
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk a déjà fait péter des univers par pure force physique....

Je ne crois pas)( si ta des sources ou des comics en particulier je veut bien) par contre il a fait trembler des dimension sur plusieur plan de réalité en tapant des main et à détruit un astéroïde 2 fois plus gros que la terre en un coup

Ca ca vaut ce que ca vaut
Palkia et dialga sont censé faire vibrer l’univers rien qu’avec leurs respirations
Ils sont tiers 2-A je crois et pourtant dans les films ils sont niveau saibaman

Il y'a pas besoin de feats pour donner une échelle de puissance .

Ces 2 Pokémon représentent à eux seuls le temps et l'espace dans le pokeverse...

J’espère pour eux parce que si on parle de feat rien qu’un tir de bazooka suffit a les buter

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:17:07 :
Freezer déglingue une planète alors j'imagine pas Gogeta ssj God

Je vois pas genre Hulk faire pareil, pour moi Hulk ça vaut un Radditz ou un Nappa a tout péter

Hulk affronte des entités BIEN PLUS PUISSANTE QUE ZENO LE NORMIEShttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/10/6/1615644288-castaldi6-altieri.png

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:27:38 :

[16:22:54] <RuphasMafahl>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:05 :

[16:17:45] <Tanguy-Swing>
Il suffit de comparer les tier

Thanos : Tier: 4-B | 2-A | Likely Low 1-C, possibly Higher | Low 1-A | Likely 1-A
Pouvoir de Thanos
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Immortality (Types 1 & 6), Regeneration (Mid-Low), Enhanced Senses (Likely detected & caught a rock being thrown at him without looking at it. Identified a Skrull being turned into another alien. Smelled Pip the Troll leaving his Sanctuary), Telepathy, Mind Manipulation (Had a mind war with Moondragon and won. Destroyed Pit the Troll's mind. Mind controlled the Hulk), Perception Manipulation & Madness Manipulation (Via Mind-Sync Time-Warp; Can alter the perception of others, attempting to drive them mad and make their minds his slaves), Possession (Can upload his consciousness into the mind of a living target, overcoming it), Magic, Hacking (Casually jamed Shi'ar's sophisticated interstellar networks), Energy Manipulation & Projection, Could completely stop Mjolnir being thrown at him by unknown means, Forcefield Creation (Has technology that allows him to activate invisible, normal or 3 personal forcefields. On his own able to use a forcefield around himself and on other things to keep them from others), Summoning, Teleportation via his chair, Astral Projection, Petrification (Once petrified a Skrull, killing him), Curse Manipulation (Cursed Deadpool with eternal life), Flight (Can fly on his own), Matter Manipulation (Can dissolve molecules), Death Manipulation (Can give a permanent death to inhabitants of the Cancerverse, a universe where death does not exist), Life Manipulation (Drained the life force of a being and bestowed it to another), Healing (Healed a cleric), Portal Creation (Created a portal that allowed him to travel to another point of existence), Stealth Mastery (Demonstrated here. His armor also has a cloaking device), Sealing (Attempted to seal Odin), Resistance to Reality Warping (Was able to keep hold of himself after he entered the Nexus of Reality), Mind Manipulation, Telepathy (While having the Mind Gem, Moondragon was unable to read his mind), Black Holes (Survived being sucked inside a miniature black hole that collapsed on itself) & Hellfire Manipulation (Withstood an explosion of Hellfire from Cosmic Ghost Rider). Formerly Immortality (Type 5)
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All prior abilities, Access to all the powers a Cosmic Cube has (Only demonstrated using the ones listed here), Matter Manipulation and Energy Manipulation on a much greater level, Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation (Can twist space), Time Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement (Can incapacitate others with energy and has "the power to imprison all his foes with the slightlest thought"), Size Manipulation & Transformation (Can become the universe itself), Soul Manipulation (His very soul was also turned into the universe), Absorption (Initially believed to have drained the cube's power for himself, later stated to be still drawing power from it, constantly), Resistance to scientific & natural laws After becoming the universe: As before, Incorporeality (Left his physical body), Cosmic Awareness (Could sense where others were despite not being visibly with them), Plant Manipulation (Controlled the limbs of trees to attack and restrain others), Memory Manipulation (Restored the full memory of Drax), Transmutation (Turned metal and concrete into demon-like creatures to attack his foes), Fire Manipulation (Shown here), Telekinesis (Shown here), Homing Attack (Shown here), Age Manipulation (Attempted to age Captain Marvel to death)
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All in base to an unfathomably greater extent, Precognition & Cosmic Awareness (Users of the gauntlet see time as a repeating loop; Whereas others experience the present, the users have already lived that before several times, only allowing themselves to make unimportant mistakes. This applies to characters as fast as several abstracts and a casual The Living Tribunal. It's stated that every moment that ever was or will be cascades over the user), Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Made the Runner more than a million years old and turned him into a baby), Elemental Manipulation, Biological Manipulation (Blew up two of Death's minions from the inside. Constantly tortured Nebula and Eros by altering their bodies), Explosion Manipulation, BFR (Can trap people inside the Soul gem, can vanish others, etc.), Creation, Life & Death Manipulation (Created life. Eliminated half of the universe), Time Stop (Caused time to come to a standstill, frooze Earth's defenders in time), Size Manipulation, Portal Creation (Created a portal between him and an enemy attack to avoid it, could open time portals which would pull opponents to the prehistoric past, etc.), Time Travel, Transmutation (Turned Wolverine's bones into rubber, turned "Thor" into glass, turned Nova into Toy Blocks), Status Effect Inducement (Demonstrated here, here & here), Absorption (Absorbed the combined attack of several cosmic beings), Sealing (Imprisoned the cosmic beings, including Eternity), Duplication (Duplicated into at least 9 copies of himself), Soul-based Morality Manipulation (Redirected Drax's motivation to kill him towards the Silver Surfer), Power Bestowal (Can give others Immortality and small portions of his power), Cloth Manipulation (The gauntlet attacked Mephisto when he tried to steal it), Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm abstract entities), Access to all the powers the Infinity Gauntlet has (Only demonstrated using the ones listed earlier)
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All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent (The Cosmic Cube gave him a very limited experience manipulating facets of the divine, and the Infinity Gauntlet only gave him external control of his powers, with the Heart, he's "all that was and subservient of none". Only demonstrated using the powers listed here), Acausality (Type 1. Gained his power because of Akhenaten's advent and the Celestial Order, whom he eradicated any trace of their existence by traveling back in time and killing them before almost every event in Marvel: The End. Unaffected after making time and space no longer exist), Regeneration (Low-Godly for his body. Lost his corporeality and reappeared briefly afterward, although the practicality of this is unexplored given his omnipresence), Cosmic Awareness (Could have sensed the Living Tribunal's meeting of cosmic powerhouses but didn't due to being engrossed in reveling in his newfound power. His awareness continued to expand beyond the material and the abstract into realms he never suspected even existed), Time Travel & Teleportation (Went to the 1334 B.C. in Egypt from space to kill Akhenaten, then two thousand years before the latter's existence to kill the Celestial Order, just as a precaution), Portal Creation & Technology Manipulation (Shown here), Vibration Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Thread Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Disease Manipulation and Healing (Beyond the material and the abstract there are universal vibratory patterns that are said by Thanos to be "heavenly laws written in the ether", "luminous weaves" and "the order that holds off the chaos and the void"; They were twisted & perverted, by trying to fix them, Thanos' every effort initially only worsened the situation. Later healed this Astral Cancer from the universe at the cost of his own life), Size Manipulation & BFR (Made himself bigger and vanished Eternity), Absorption & Existence Erasure (Absorbed everyone and everything in the universe into his being, making time and space no longer exist. Said that their very existence was by his whim), Causality Manipulation (Minted a universe where certain events didn't happen in its past) Possibly the same abilities as Akhenaten (Assuming this aren't things he actively decided to manifest on himself, Thanos should have the same abilities as the former was empowered by some of the Heart's power): Extrasensory Perception (Akhenaten detected Horus using clairvoyance to spy him and knew that gods were watching him, as well as where they were) and Resistance to Information Analysis & Cosmic Awareness (Thanos' technologies couldn't permanently detect his unique energy emanations before his approach to Earth, Reed Richards' technologies couldn't know what he was on that moment and Abstracts such as Master Order, Lord Chaos, Infinity and Eternity could not detect the cause of the perilous imbalance in the cosmic flow made by him, the latter stating that this to be a "truth hidden from the least to the greatest of all beings", possibly indicating that The Living Tribunal was unaware of this as well. After his advent Infinity and Eternity were "blind", only limited to gaze upon the here and now as opposed to all time and space)
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All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent, even far beyond that of the Heart of the Universe, with the exception of Acausality (Was successfully affected by time travel)

Zeno : Tier: 2-C
Pouvoir de Zeno
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Longevity, Enhanced Senses, Flight, Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1), Afterimage Creation, Chi Manipulation (Can be used defensively and offensively, to strengthen his skin or to fire ki blasts, which can home in on targets, and form defensive barriers), Ki/Energy Sensing, Spatial Manipulation (His hands materialized in the universe to flick planets against each other), Non-Physical Interaction (Capable of harming souls, intangible and non-corporeal beings), Existence Erasure (Can erase people, objects and entire universes by raising his hand), Creation (Created a button out of nowhere), Can possibly create dimensional rifts and destroy space-time and pocket dimensions with his energy via powerscaling, Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a "God")
Le personnage le plus craint et puissant de dragon ball est une merde à côté de juste Thanos, Thanos n'est même pas le plus puissant

Pour les grotteux les tier ça signifie ça

2-C : | Low Multiverse level: Characters who can significantly affect[1], create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents.

1-A : 1-A: Outerverse level
Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other.

Pour clamer haut et fort que le dbverse est au-dessus du Marvel verse fait vraiment être un ahuri qui ne connaît quedal a la fiction, vos personnages qui gueule et power up se font déglinguéhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/32/4/1596747006-img-06082020-224953-400-x-300-pixel.jpg

Thanos devrait être mieux classé sue simple 4-B je trouve .
Il a déjà explosé un univers.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/14/5/1617929690-16179296924397232436178571627252.jpg

4-B c'est juste sa plus faible version, il y a plusieurs versions de Thanos et ils n'ont pas tous la même puissance

Là il était pas boosté.
Mais je suppose que tu voulais parler de la version que l'auteur a choisie de prendre

Non tu disais qu'il devait être plus que 4-B alors qu'il l'est sur tout les sites, c'est juste que sa première clé est 4-B, ses autres clés au dessus sont bien plus puissantes et il a même une clé 1-A

[16:23:50] <EndlessDeath>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:21:05 :

[16:17:45] <Tanguy-Swing>
Il suffit de comparer les tier

Thanos : Tier: 4-B | 2-A | Likely Low 1-C, possibly Higher | Low 1-A | Likely 1-A
Pouvoir de Thanos
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Immortality (Types 1 & 6), Regeneration (Mid-Low), Enhanced Senses (Likely detected & caught a rock being thrown at him without looking at it. Identified a Skrull being turned into another alien. Smelled Pip the Troll leaving his Sanctuary), Telepathy, Mind Manipulation (Had a mind war with Moondragon and won. Destroyed Pit the Troll's mind. Mind controlled the Hulk), Perception Manipulation & Madness Manipulation (Via Mind-Sync Time-Warp; Can alter the perception of others, attempting to drive them mad and make their minds his slaves), Possession (Can upload his consciousness into the mind of a living target, overcoming it), Magic, Hacking (Casually jamed Shi'ar's sophisticated interstellar networks), Energy Manipulation & Projection, Could completely stop Mjolnir being thrown at him by unknown means, Forcefield Creation (Has technology that allows him to activate invisible, normal or 3 personal forcefields. On his own able to use a forcefield around himself and on other things to keep them from others), Summoning, Teleportation via his chair, Astral Projection, Petrification (Once petrified a Skrull, killing him), Curse Manipulation (Cursed Deadpool with eternal life), Flight (Can fly on his own), Matter Manipulation (Can dissolve molecules), Death Manipulation (Can give a permanent death to inhabitants of the Cancerverse, a universe where death does not exist), Life Manipulation (Drained the life force of a being and bestowed it to another), Healing (Healed a cleric), Portal Creation (Created a portal that allowed him to travel to another point of existence), Stealth Mastery (Demonstrated here. His armor also has a cloaking device), Sealing (Attempted to seal Odin), Resistance to Reality Warping (Was able to keep hold of himself after he entered the Nexus of Reality), Mind Manipulation, Telepathy (While having the Mind Gem, Moondragon was unable to read his mind), Black Holes (Survived being sucked inside a miniature black hole that collapsed on itself) & Hellfire Manipulation (Withstood an explosion of Hellfire from Cosmic Ghost Rider). Formerly Immortality (Type 5)
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All prior abilities, Access to all the powers a Cosmic Cube has (Only demonstrated using the ones listed here), Matter Manipulation and Energy Manipulation on a much greater level, Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation (Can twist space), Time Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement (Can incapacitate others with energy and has "the power to imprison all his foes with the slightlest thought"), Size Manipulation & Transformation (Can become the universe itself), Soul Manipulation (His very soul was also turned into the universe), Absorption (Initially believed to have drained the cube's power for himself, later stated to be still drawing power from it, constantly), Resistance to scientific & natural laws After becoming the universe: As before, Incorporeality (Left his physical body), Cosmic Awareness (Could sense where others were despite not being visibly with them), Plant Manipulation (Controlled the limbs of trees to attack and restrain others), Memory Manipulation (Restored the full memory of Drax), Transmutation (Turned metal and concrete into demon-like creatures to attack his foes), Fire Manipulation (Shown here), Telekinesis (Shown here), Homing Attack (Shown here), Age Manipulation (Attempted to age Captain Marvel to death)
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All in base to an unfathomably greater extent, Precognition & Cosmic Awareness (Users of the gauntlet see time as a repeating loop; Whereas others experience the present, the users have already lived that before several times, only allowing themselves to make unimportant mistakes. This applies to characters as fast as several abstracts and a casual The Living Tribunal. It's stated that every moment that ever was or will be cascades over the user), Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Made the Runner more than a million years old and turned him into a baby), Elemental Manipulation, Biological Manipulation (Blew up two of Death's minions from the inside. Constantly tortured Nebula and Eros by altering their bodies), Explosion Manipulation, BFR (Can trap people inside the Soul gem, can vanish others, etc.), Creation, Life & Death Manipulation (Created life. Eliminated half of the universe), Time Stop (Caused time to come to a standstill, frooze Earth's defenders in time), Size Manipulation, Portal Creation (Created a portal between him and an enemy attack to avoid it, could open time portals which would pull opponents to the prehistoric past, etc.), Time Travel, Transmutation (Turned Wolverine's bones into rubber, turned "Thor" into glass, turned Nova into Toy Blocks), Status Effect Inducement (Demonstrated here, here & here), Absorption (Absorbed the combined attack of several cosmic beings), Sealing (Imprisoned the cosmic beings, including Eternity), Duplication (Duplicated into at least 9 copies of himself), Soul-based Morality Manipulation (Redirected Drax's motivation to kill him towards the Silver Surfer), Power Bestowal (Can give others Immortality and small portions of his power), Cloth Manipulation (The gauntlet attacked Mephisto when he tried to steal it), Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm abstract entities), Access to all the powers the Infinity Gauntlet has (Only demonstrated using the ones listed earlier)
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All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent (The Cosmic Cube gave him a very limited experience manipulating facets of the divine, and the Infinity Gauntlet only gave him external control of his powers, with the Heart, he's "all that was and subservient of none". Only demonstrated using the powers listed here), Acausality (Type 1. Gained his power because of Akhenaten's advent and the Celestial Order, whom he eradicated any trace of their existence by traveling back in time and killing them before almost every event in Marvel: The End. Unaffected after making time and space no longer exist), Regeneration (Low-Godly for his body. Lost his corporeality and reappeared briefly afterward, although the practicality of this is unexplored given his omnipresence), Cosmic Awareness (Could have sensed the Living Tribunal's meeting of cosmic powerhouses but didn't due to being engrossed in reveling in his newfound power. His awareness continued to expand beyond the material and the abstract into realms he never suspected even existed), Time Travel & Teleportation (Went to the 1334 B.C. in Egypt from space to kill Akhenaten, then two thousand years before the latter's existence to kill the Celestial Order, just as a precaution), Portal Creation & Technology Manipulation (Shown here), Vibration Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Thread Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Disease Manipulation and Healing (Beyond the material and the abstract there are universal vibratory patterns that are said by Thanos to be "heavenly laws written in the ether", "luminous weaves" and "the order that holds off the chaos and the void"; They were twisted & perverted, by trying to fix them, Thanos' every effort initially only worsened the situation. Later healed this Astral Cancer from the universe at the cost of his own life), Size Manipulation & BFR (Made himself bigger and vanished Eternity), Absorption & Existence Erasure (Absorbed everyone and everything in the universe into his being, making time and space no longer exist. Said that their very existence was by his whim), Causality Manipulation (Minted a universe where certain events didn't happen in its past) Possibly the same abilities as Akhenaten (Assuming this aren't things he actively decided to manifest on himself, Thanos should have the same abilities as the former was empowered by some of the Heart's power): Extrasensory Perception (Akhenaten detected Horus using clairvoyance to spy him and knew that gods were watching him, as well as where they were) and Resistance to Information Analysis & Cosmic Awareness (Thanos' technologies couldn't permanently detect his unique energy emanations before his approach to Earth, Reed Richards' technologies couldn't know what he was on that moment and Abstracts such as Master Order, Lord Chaos, Infinity and Eternity could not detect the cause of the perilous imbalance in the cosmic flow made by him, the latter stating that this to be a "truth hidden from the least to the greatest of all beings", possibly indicating that The Living Tribunal was unaware of this as well. After his advent Infinity and Eternity were "blind", only limited to gaze upon the here and now as opposed to all time and space)
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All previous abilities to an unfathomably greater extent, even far beyond that of the Heart of the Universe, with the exception of Acausality (Was successfully affected by time travel)

Zeno : Tier: 2-C
Pouvoir de Zeno
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Longevity, Enhanced Senses, Flight, Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1), Afterimage Creation, Chi Manipulation (Can be used defensively and offensively, to strengthen his skin or to fire ki blasts, which can home in on targets, and form defensive barriers), Ki/Energy Sensing, Spatial Manipulation (His hands materialized in the universe to flick planets against each other), Non-Physical Interaction (Capable of harming souls, intangible and non-corporeal beings), Existence Erasure (Can erase people, objects and entire universes by raising his hand), Creation (Created a button out of nowhere), Can possibly create dimensional rifts and destroy space-time and pocket dimensions with his energy via powerscaling, Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Extrasensory Perception (Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a "God")
Le personnage le plus craint et puissant de dragon ball est une merde à côté de juste Thanos, Thanos n'est même pas le plus puissant

Pour les grotteux les tier ça signifie ça

2-C : | Low Multiverse level: Characters who can significantly affect[1], create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents.

1-A : 1-A: Outerverse level
Characters who functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System, and stand outside of any extensions of infinite hierarchies and sizes, to varying degrees and magnitudes. In more straightforward terms, this category could be said to be occupied by characters whose size and/or level of power cannot be reached by merely stacking bigger infinities on top of each other.

Pour clamer haut et fort que le dbverse est au-dessus du Marvel verse fait vraiment être un ahuri qui ne connaît quedal a la fiction, vos personnages qui gueule et power up se font déglinguéhttps://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/32/4/1596747006-img-06082020-224953-400-x-300-pixel.jpg

Thanos devrait être mieux classé sue simple 4-B je trouve .
Il a déjà explosé un univers.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2021/14/5/1617929690-16179296924397232436178571627252.jpg

Le problème c'est que peut après il se fait éclater par un galactus affamé avant de faire équipe avec lui pour battre the HUNGER
Thanos sans gant est très bien en 4b

Galactus affamé >>>>>>>>>> 4-B

Galactus rassasié >>>>>>> univers buster

Il est plus fort que odin et odin est au lvl multivers

Donc non, thanos est bien plus que 4-B

[16:24:56] <Trapezohedron>

Le 14 avril 2021 à 16:24:06 :
J'suis un pro-Dragonball, et j'dirai Marvel.
Tout façon, niveau puissance, les comics défoncent les mangas. Les auteurs de comics sont méga perché, y en a eu plus d'une centaine de différent à écrire leur propre histoire d'un perso qui a été créé il y a au moins 50 ans, y a eu toutes les histoires possible.
Puis là on parle d'une marque (Marvel) contre une franchise (Dragonball), c'est complétement pété.

A la limite ça aurait plus judicieux de dire l'univers de Marvel contre l'univers de la Shueisha.

Autant faire comics vs mangas alors

Oui .